The Innovative Usage Thread

[Nortaneous]

Guy behind me in line at McDonalds had ai O > a Ou. Classic Southern feature, but I always thought the O shift was only before nasals.

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My roommate: "You can definitely see you" --said multiple times in part of a conversation. This is an interesting usage of the generic 'you' because it suggests that at least for him you=2s and you=INDEF are seen as entirely separate morphemes that are just homophones.

[Drydic]

My roommate: "You can definitely see you" --said multiple times in part of a conversation. This is an interesting usage of the generic 'you' because it suggests that at least for him you=2s and you=INDEF are seen as entirely separate morphemes that are just homophones.

They are for me as well.

[Ser]

But would you accept "you can definitely see you" as grammatical, Nessari?

[Drydic]

With a heavily unstressed you_impers, yes I would, and have in fact said phrases nigh identical to it before.

[R.Rusanov]

I noticed [feiðɑɹɪt] <favorite> in the speech of a girl of 20 from Plaquemines parish. She produced [feiðɑr] <favor> upon my request. Personal tic or new dialectical development, do you think?

[Drydic]

Where'd she stress it? That's an interesting pronunciation...

[R.Rusanov]

Besides the dissimilation of the labial fricative everything, including stress, was pronounced in a typical Southern Louisiana accent.

[Nortaneous]

what's up with the [ɑɹ]?

[Drydic]

Besides the dissimilation of the labial fricative everything, including stress, was pronounced in a typical Southern Louisiana accent.

Now please don't assume we know what a typical Southern Louisiana accent is.

[ol bofosh]

Besides the dissimilation of the labial fricative everything, including stress, was pronounced in a typical Southern Louisiana accent.

Now please don't assume we know what a typical Southern Louisiana accent is.

Nor that we can use Wikipedia to search for it.

[Drydic]

Besides the dissimilation of the labial fricative everything, including stress, was pronounced in a typical Southern Louisiana accent.

Now please don't assume we know what a typical Southern Louisiana accent is.

Nor that we can use Wikipedia to search for it.

Note that none of those pages has any information relevant to the question of how the word is stressed, or why the [ɑɹ] isn't reduced to [əɹ].

[ol bofosh]

Besides the dissimilation of the labial fricative everything, including stress, was pronounced in a typical Southern Louisiana accent.

Now please don't assume we know what a typical Southern Louisiana accent is.

Nor that we can use Wikipedia to search for it.

Note that none of those pages has any information relevant to the question of how the word is stressed, or why the [ɑɹ] isn't reduced to [əɹ].

You're a thorough reader.

An impertinent question: you had interest in a typical Southern Louisiana accent in the first place?

[Drydic]

I'm mostly trying to figure out how the hell Rusanov's source had two unreduced vowels in words I've never heard that in.

[äreo]

Anyone else ever heard "to piss [x] off to [y]" to mean roughly to cause [x] to be pissed off at [y]?

[linguoboy]

Someone asked about this construction on another forum and one of the commenters called it a "disfluency". So I Googled for parallel examples. Here's a selection:

"One thing I learned new about being a lawyer was..."
"[T]he thing i learned important about Zeus was..."
"]T]he only thing i know important that happend..."
"Here is one thing I learned new today."
"One thing I learned new this Christmas is..."
"I have been in this job environment before so the only thing I learned new here is..."

Perfectly understandable in context, but grammatical in your dialect?

[Radius Solis]

I find it familiar and unremarkable when spoken, and I'm sure I use it all the time; it's basically just dropping a "that is". But seeing it in written English is a bit of a shock, for reasons I can't quite put my finger on. It gives me the willies somehow, like seeing some guy feel up his sister.

[Salmoneus]

Someone asked about this construction on another forum and one of the commenters called it a "disfluency". So I Googled for parallel examples. Here's a selection:

"One thing I learned new about being a lawyer was..."
"[T]he thing i learned important about Zeus was..."
"]T]he only thing i know important that happend..."
"Here is one thing I learned new today."
"One thing I learned new this Christmas is..."
"I have been in this job environment before so the only thing I learned new here is..."

Perfectly understandable in context, but grammatical in your dialect?

Well that's a stumper. All of those are, for me, completely ungrammatical... except for "the only thing I know important happened...", which is completely unobjectionable. No idea why that is.

[Astraios]

For me both of the ones with 'important' sound wrong, but the 'new' ones all sound fine.

[Travis B.]

Someone asked about this construction on another forum and one of the commenters called it a "disfluency". So I Googled for parallel examples. Here's a selection:

"One thing I learned new about being a lawyer was..."
"[T]he thing i learned important about Zeus was..."
"]T]he only thing i know important that happend..."
"Here is one thing I learned new today."
"One thing I learned new this Christmas is..."
"I have been in this job environment before so the only thing I learned new here is..."

Perfectly understandable in context, but grammatical in your dialect?

All of those are completely ungrammatical in my dialect, with those sticking out quite jarringly to me.

[ol bofosh]

"One thing I learned new about being a lawyer was..."
"[T]he thing i learned important about Zeus was..."
"]T]he only thing i know important that happend..."
"Here is one thing I learned new today."
"One thing I learned new this Christmas is..."
"I have been in this job environment before so the only thing I learned new here is..."

People that speak my dialect would say things like that, and I could in very relaxed speech, but it would be affected, not natural.

But it's a good grammatical thing for my Gnoamz.

[Whimemsz]

All of those are completely ungrammatical in my dialect, with those sticking out quite jarringly to me.

Same here, and I don't think I've ever heard them before.

[ObsequiousNewt]

For me both of the ones with 'important' sound wrong, but the 'new' ones all sound fine.

Same. Although even the "new" ones still make me cringe a little.

[clawgrip]

They're all unacceptable to me as well.

[Plusquamperfekt]

Dear people, I would like to present you some of my weird ideas for future evolutions of some natlangs which do not deserve a separate thread:

Reform Idea for Polish: Direct object agreement for the first and second person singular...

Standard conjugation

kocham - love-1SG
kochasz - love-2SG
kocha - love-3SG
kochamy - love-1PL
kochacie - love-2PL
kochają - love-3PL

New conjugation:

kocham się - love-1SG REFL
kochamasz - love-1SG-2SG
kochama - love-1SG-3SG
kochamamy - love-1SG-1PL
kochamacie - love-1SG-2PL
kochamają - love-1SG-3PL

kochaszam - love-2SG-1SG
kochasz się - love-2SG REFL
kochasza - love-2SG-3SG
kochaszamy - love-2SG-1PL
--- (not logical)
kochaszają - love-2SG-3PL

Reform Idea for Spanish: Attaching subject markers of verbs in the subjunctive to "que" (as in Polish)

Chce, żebym/żebyś/żeby śpiewał(a). - He/she wants me/you/him/her to sing.
Chce, żebyśmy/żebyście/żeby śpiewali/śpiewały. - He/she wants us/you/them to sing.

Quiere que yo venga => Quiere quea venga.
Quiere que vengas => Quiere queas venga.
Quiere que él/ella venga => Quiere quea venga.
Quiere que vengamos => Quiere queamos venga.
Quiere que vengáis => Quiere queáis venga.
Quiere que vengan => Quiere quean venga.

Espero queáis me entienda.